Gen Z | Orthodox Christian ☦️ | Navigating the Fourth Turning

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The core reason our society is collapsing is because of global decadence. I believe this is the root of our problems. Anyone who has read the Old Testament would know that the early Israelites fell into a recurring cycle. They would win significant battles or experience prosperity, then turn to idol worship. Because they abandoned their faith, God would punish them through military defeat, bad rulers, or even captivity in Babylon. This same cycle is found not just in the Bible, but in every area of life. Think of a sports team, musician, or public figure who achieved outsized success only to succumb to laziness, complacency, and abandoning what got them there. As humans, we have a tendency to become complacent during good times. Decadence creeps in, and instead of focusing on civilization building and the future, people chase pleasures. Once the people of a civilization disregard the future, they’ve pretty much dug their own grave. The Romans learned this the hard way. Today is no exception… The Pax Americana brought about an era of peace and prosperity that may never be seen again. Because of this, the world has also become the most decadent it has ever been. It’s this decadence that has allowed us to neglect the future while introducing pernicious ideas. Ideas like feminism, postmodernism, secular humanism, and more. If decadence is what weakens our civilizational immune system, these foundational frameworks are the disease. The symptoms are what we see today: hookup culture, instant gratification, sexual depravity, wealth inequality, lower birth rates, extreme hypergamy, etc. But like an infected organism, if symptoms go untreated, you risk death. But many people today still can’t see the symptoms or the disease. Our modern era has essentially given us soma through technology, suppressing our drive to fight back. Only when normies lose their comforts will we see things change. Once the bread and circuses are gone, people won’t have a choice but to wake up. Only then can healing begin.
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In almost every dystopian sci-fi film, it’s men with robot or artificial girlfriends who embody a standard of beauty unattainable to humans. But we’re now finding that it’s actually women who indulge in these delusional fantasies. There’s a reason why r/MyBoyfriendIsAI has far more followers than r/MyGirlfriendIsAI. Women will do anything to escape the idea of being with their looks match. The birth rates are beyond cooked at this point.
If you thought hypergamy was bad, women are now creating men who don’t even exist and comparing you to them
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Also, quick side note. Juvenal is also the one who warned about “bread and circuses.”
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Here’s Juvenal’s full quote. “What brought this monstrous behaviour about, what’s its source You ask? Their lowly status used to keep Latin women chaste, Hard work kept the corruption of vice from their humble roofs,” “Now we suffer the ills of a long peace. Worse for us than war This luxury’s stifling us, taking its revenge for an empire won. No single kind of crime or act of lust has been lacking, from The moment we were no longer poor: all vice pours into Rome.”
For context, Satire VI is Juvenal’s argument that Rome had become so decadent that even marriage had been corrupted. In a satirical way, he’s warning against it since the women had gotten worse. A Roman redpiller I guess you could say. Here are some interesting quotes: “Are you, in this day and age, ready for an agreement, a contract, the wedding vows…? Postumus, you were sane once. Are you really taking a wife?” “If you should happen to find a woman whose life is chaste. There are so few of them…” “You’ll not find any woman who’ll spare a man who loves her. Though she’s on fire, she’ll still love to torture and fleece him.” “What brought this monstrous behaviour about, what’s its source, you ask? Their lowly status used to keep Latin women chaste. Hard work kept the corruption of vice from their humble roofs…”
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I believe women in the past didn’t love their husbands the way we’re told they did. Most married because of social pressure and economic dependence. What women’s empowerment has shown is that they’ll do almost anything to preserve their “freedom.” Whether it’s endlessly hooking up with Chads or traveling, many chose dull corporate jobs over having families so they wouldn’t have to rely on a man. We’re suffering from what the Roman satirical poet Juvenal called the “ills of a long peace,” a warning he gave during Rome’s moral decadence. Due to this long peace, the women of his era had become so corrupted that he even wrote a satire warning men against marriage. I believe we’re suffering from those same “ills of a long peace.” Only in a decadent society can women forgo family formation for girl boss jobs so they can preserve their “freedom.” What’s the solution? Women have to NEED men again for society to flourish. Unfortunately, it will take tough times to end the “ills of a long peace.” Otherwise, they’ll continue choosing harem culture over family life.
Women used to be 30 years old married with 3 children and a husband living in a house they owned, with a high enough standard of living that she didn’t even need to work and could stay home. Now 30 year old women have slept with 30 guys, have no children, are not married, live in an apartment and have to go to work full time just to survive. This isn’t progress, this is societal decline and a dramatically lower quality of life being sold to women as their liberation when in reality it is their enslavement.
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Z’s Turning 🍊 reposted
YES! I can't fucking stand Christcucks either. They're the root of most of our problems. There's only one Christian guy I'll give a pass is @Z4BTC_ I really recommend his account, he makes killer points. If Christians want to not be despised they need to become more like him.
Christian men make me want to vomit. Not righteous, self-righteous. Want to be seen as good boys and nice guys. Judgmental in a highly neurotic and obsessive compulsive way. “Ill pray for you.” Just do it and stop virtue signaling. Churches are hen houses ruled by closeted homosexual and gossipy women. Passive aggressive in everything. Truly the worst people on earth.
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Here’s a prime example of how no matter what, women will always believe they’re entitled to a man’s money. Even after siding with their mother’s affair partner over their own father, they still believe they’re entitled to his money. This has to be the worst generation of women to ever exist.
A father left his son more than $10 million. He left his two daughters nothing. Now they’re asking their brother to pay off their $300,000 in student loans. Caller: “My father left everything to me… his house, his investments, his business. He didn’t give anything to my sisters.” George Kamel: “He purposefully didn’t leave any money to your sisters?” Caller: “Yes.” George Kamel: “And now they’re resentful because they feel like they deserve a portion of this money.” Caller: “It seems like it.” Jade Warshaw: “Why did he cut them off?” Caller: “My mother had an affair. My sisters sided with my mother because they liked the affair partner more. I sided with my father.” George Kamel: “I think you’re going to be resentful if you give this money. I’d rather them be resentful towards you than you be resentful towards them.” “There’s no easy answer here.” “They’re going to hate you.”
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Z’s Turning 🍊 reposted
One redeeming value of western civilization is that at least we didn't actually get conquered, we just committed civilizational suicide. Nobody can say that they actually conquered us. They can't have that pleasure. It would be like saying you won against a football team where every player was lying down through the whole match. They just came to pillage the ruins of a decadent civilization that died from its own weight.
Decadence distorts value because people begin placing a higher value on short term pleasure than long term prosperity. The only reason we’re in a “dating bubble” is because weak men before us chose to overvalue women instead of prioritizing civilizational building. Something like this can only exist in a decadent society, where economic abundance gives women girl boss jobs, allows men to pay excessive amounts for sugar babies and escorts, and keeps everyone comfortable enough to indulge their worst impulses. Society has too much sugar, so it keeps trying to sweeten everything else. In doing so, it’s making us fatter, both literally and metaphorically. There are other factors at play, but the underlying driver of many of society’s problems is cultural decadence. As I’ve said on this account several times, scarcity is required to restore order. The “sugar” that is killing us needs to be taken away.
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There’s a reason we see this most clearly in Silicon Valley, where the AI bubble has given tech nerds more money than they know what to do with. I’m going to keep hammering this everything bubble concept so people understand how it’s all connected.
The fact that Hoeflation is even showing up in the escort market is evidence that we are in an “everything bubble.” As I’ve argued before, artificial abundance creates inflation in areas where it otherwise wouldn’t exist. When money is plentiful, prices rise relative to the value being provided. In simpler terms, you pay more for less. This doesn’t just exist in stocks, housing, or consumer products anymore; we now see it in the escort and prostitution markets. Hoeflation is quite literally hoeflation. The demand for such services has always been there. But what’s different today is that the profession has become much more lucrative, accessible, and destigmatized. No longer is it solely associated with extreme poverty and desperation. Today’s market increasingly includes women who are college educated, upper-middle-class, and come from stable upbringings. The allure of fast money, luxury experiences, and endless attention has become too difficult for many women to ignore. This new class of sellers has shifted the supply side significantly. Given their lack of desperation and their desire for exorbitant lifestyles, asking prices have risen. The fact that prices have risen so high in Silicon Valley illustrates the everything bubble. In many ways, Silicon Valley is a microcosm of our broader economy: extreme wealth inequality fueled by the AI stock bubble. This excess wealth has bid up the price of escorts and prostitutes alike. Even intimacy now carries an extraordinary premium. But because of excess wealth, some bidders are willing and able to meet those higher asking prices. But every bubble eventually comes to an end. Men will always pay for experiences with women, but paying such extraordinary amounts for women of historically lower quality is absurd, even for wealthy men. A situation like this can only exist if there’s fake easy money going around. The artificial abundance created by excess liquidity, decades of cheap credit, and a fiat monetary system is the lifeblood of decadence and the “everything bubble.” Scarcity is required to set these dynamics back to normal.
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Decadence distorts value because people begin placing a higher value on short term pleasure than long term prosperity. The only reason we’re in a “dating bubble” is because weak men before us chose to overvalue women instead of prioritizing civilizational building. Something like this can only exist in a decadent society, where economic abundance gives women girl boss jobs, allows men to pay excessive amounts for sugar babies and escorts, and keeps everyone comfortable enough to indulge their worst impulses. Society has too much sugar, so it keeps trying to sweeten everything else. In doing so, it’s making us fatter, both literally and metaphorically. There are other factors at play, but the underlying driver of many of society’s problems is cultural decadence. As I’ve said on this account several times, scarcity is required to restore order. The “sugar” that is killing us needs to be taken away.
How do we fix the current dating crisis? Like stocks, dating is also a marketplace. Buyers and sellers meet and agree on a price based on perceived or tangible value. But like stocks or any other asset, markets can behave irrationally for long periods of time. During the dot-com bubble, stocks traded almost entirely on narratives rather than fundamentals. The perceived value of tech companies far outpaced their actual value. Eventually, market conditions tested those companies, and once their real value was revealed, investors panicked and sold. Something similar will need to happen in the dating market. Men are paying far more in time, effort, and energy for women who offer less than previous generations. This concept is known as hoeflation, and it is a sign of a dating market bubble, much like the dot-com bubble of 2000 or the housing bubble of 2008. The perceived value no longer matches the actual value. So how did those bubbles end? They ended in a crisis that forced a market reset. Unfortunately, a major reset may be necessary to correct our current trajectory. Women will have to need men again instead of relying on the state which subsidizes their lifestyles through easy credit, DEI, and fake email jobs. Until reality sets in, the bubble will continue. And like every bubble in history, the longer it lasts, the more painful the eventual correction will be.
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“We are transitioning from Boomer Luxury Communism to Bitch Luxury Communism” Couldn’t have said it better myself 🎯
We are transitioning from Boomer Luxury Communism to Bitch Luxury Communism. Across this country laws are being redesigned at the behest of women. This is suicidal tier governance and needs to end immediately.
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Women like this won’t enter the future with us. They’re genetic dead ends and risk becoming examples of what not to do in life. Beyond that, they’re a fiscal burden. Their obsession with travel, exorbitant lifestyles, and excessive BNPL spending shows they’re not saving for the future. Nor do they plan on having families to care for them. So what happens when these women reach retirement? What happens if the economy breaks before then? Does society have the balls to let them face the consequences of their financial decisions? Probably not. The choices are to either print more money to bail them out or take someone else’s money to do the same. Either way, the most productive people in society pay the bill, whether through taxes or the silent tax of inflation. We are transitioning from a boomer welfare state to a girl boss welfare state. I can’t see men willing to subsidize Chelsea’s 5th vacation any longer.
So many of them are like this. Just bleak.
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It’s not just dating. We’re living through an everything bubble. The price of everything has gone up, while its actual value has gone down.
Everything is in a bubble now. Not just financially, but socially as well. The stock market, housing prices, grocery prices, and even the dating marketplace are all overly inflated. By this, I mean the price people are paying no longer matches the value they’re receiving. How does a society end up in such a situation, and has this happened before? The answer is both yes and no. We have seen multiple bubbles throughout history, whether in tulips, stocks, or general hyperinflation. But we have never seen a dating marketplace bubble. I believe history works in cycles because it mirrors human nature. People have a tendency to take good times for granted, and that leads to decadence. This decadence lowers the value of almost everything in society while raising the cost of obtaining it. What makes this time in history unique is that it’s not only the most decadent period to ever exist, but it’s creating inflation in areas never seen before, mostly when it comes to relationships and public life. From an opportunity cost perspective, it is far more expensive to participate in today’s social life and dating culture than to forgo it. This is because the nominal value does not match the real value. What are men actually getting when they participate in society? What about in marriage? Our culture has ruined the value of many things, it almost makes no sense to participate. As I mentioned earlier, you can also see this in the cost of everything else. Why invest in the stock market AI mania when it’s clearly a bubble? Why buy an overpriced home? Why work harder when inflation won’t slow down? Is anything worth the effort anymore? But the most consequential issue of all is the fact that family formation has become largely out of reach in this everything bubble. The money needed to build a family isn’t the only issue, the energy cost of acquiring and retaining a woman today is far too expensive. It goes with the saying about hoeflation, “men have to work 5x harder for women who are 20x worse.” We are at the conclusion of this everything bubble, which is an indicator that the Fourth Turning is coming to a close. The value mismatch we see in just about everything won’t last much longer. Nature has a way of correcting itself, as everything eventually reverts back to the mean. It’s like a baseball player batting .450 in April, we know his average is going to come back down. However, I believe a period this decadent will require a massive event to put an end to all of this. Whether that is war, an economic crisis, or a natural disaster, we won’t know. But this everything bubble is a result of decadence, which has created inflated expectations and distorted valuations in nearly every aspect of life. We need something to bring people back to reality.
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How do we fix the current dating crisis? Like stocks, dating is also a marketplace. Buyers and sellers meet and agree on a price based on perceived or tangible value. But like stocks or any other asset, markets can behave irrationally for long periods of time. During the dot-com bubble, stocks traded almost entirely on narratives rather than fundamentals. The perceived value of tech companies far outpaced their actual value. Eventually, market conditions tested those companies, and once their real value was revealed, investors panicked and sold. Something similar will need to happen in the dating market. Men are paying far more in time, effort, and energy for women who offer less than previous generations. This concept is known as hoeflation, and it is a sign of a dating market bubble, much like the dot-com bubble of 2000 or the housing bubble of 2008. The perceived value no longer matches the actual value. So how did those bubbles end? They ended in a crisis that forced a market reset. Unfortunately, a major reset may be necessary to correct our current trajectory. Women will have to need men again instead of relying on the state which subsidizes their lifestyles through easy credit, DEI, and fake email jobs. Until reality sets in, the bubble will continue. And like every bubble in history, the longer it lasts, the more painful the eventual correction will be.
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What works isn’t always moral, and what’s moral doesn’t always work 🤷‍♂️
This is a moral dilemma a lot of Christian men will have to face. What works isn’t always moral, and what’s moral doesn’t always work. In today’s society, waiting until marriage almost ensures failure for men. The average 18 year old girl has far more sexual experience than the average 30 year old man. Such a mismatch creates naivety in men and jadedness in women. Men who preserve themselves are expected to give their best to a woman who’s at her worst. So their choices boil down to marrying a former hoe who resents them, or getting lucky enough to find someone young.
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The hardest thing I’ve had to accept about women is that they don’t appreciate kindness. The worse you treat them, the better they treat you. And it’s not just in relationships, it’s in everyday interactions as well. The greatest lie ever told to men is that women reward virtue.
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It doesn’t matter if you approach them at a bar, are married to them, or are casually minding your own business. They’ll still try to publicly humiliate you.
The rejection isn’t the biggest issue. It’s that these women feel emboldened enough to film and publicly humiliate people. They can’t even recognize they’re embarrassing themselves, which shows we don’t shame women enough. More women need to be called losers.
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It’s one thing to be in a sexless marriage, but it’s another to have your wife publicly humiliate you online. Why do women today feel so comfortable publicly shaming and humiliating others? What smartphones have exposed is women’s obsession with filming others and trying to embarrass them. If anything, this video does a great job demonstrating why men should avoid most women entirely. Because it’s not just strangers. Even your wife will try to humiliate you, despite being the one who chose to marry you.
Imagine getting married and your wife talks about having sex as "getting lucky" Rather be an Incel
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When a system no longer has any viable path to success, it’s time for that system to fail. It does not matter how hard you try anymore. There’s simply no clear path to victory. What’s the point of working hard in a system that’s not only rigged against you, but also doomed to fail? It’s time to let it all burn and accept the fact that things will have to get worse before they can get better.
A whole generation is coming to the realization that the entire dating market is fundamentally broken Social media apps have ruined expectations Online dating has turned everything into a superficial check box race
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There’s a reason most feminists are resentful and unattractive people. Their entire ideology is, “if I can’t be happy, neither can you.”
Anyone who has studied history knows that leftists are some of the ugliest, most resentful people. Think about it, their entire ideology is based on eradicating meritocracy and hierarchy. It only appeals to people who can’t compete in the real world. So if they can’t win, their goal is to get others to destroy themselves to level the playing field. Once those people have destroyed themselves and become resentful, they start dragging others down with them. This is why sending your daughters to university is an easy way to end up with the result below. You’re quite literally throwing them into a bucket of crabs, where resentment masquerades as virtue.
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We have to ask ourselves, what is the end goal here? Is it to transfer assets from men to undeserving women, or is it to eliminate relationships entirely? It’s clear this is an attempt to do both. Many people don’t realize that feminism and Marxism are one and the same, as both seek to abolish the nuclear family. We’ll see the next step towards this goal through a bachelor tax in the coming years. It will be branded as a measure to “increase birth rates,” but given today’s gynocentric social order, that will simply be a guise for the real objective. The real objective is what feminists have wanted all along. Abolishing the nuclear family, permanently redistributing wealth to women, and establishing a social order where men are subservient to women. If “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” were a political system, it would be the one we’re headed towards.
Unmarried couples may get right to share of assets after break-up thetimes.com/uk/law/article/…
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