I don't share my personal story often, but we really get into it on this podcast. My story is one of being a forever outsider -
1. I moved to the US at 16 - not an easy age to try and learn English. But, my accent is daily reminder of how far I've come, and why setbacks shouldn't outweigh the benefits of a global team.
2. Got into MIT, but spent my entire 1st semester hospitalized after a bus accident. It's also what inspired me to get into robotics, building exoskeletons for the US military.
3. And eventually, the robotics experience led me to founding my first company. After school, I built & sold hardware company against all conventional odds.
4. Got into YC, just to pivot 3 times, get rejected by every VC fund in seed round, and have to raise from angels. Today? Deel is valued at $17.3b.
5. @Bouazizalex and I didn’t know anyone in Silicon Valley when we first arrived, but we turned our outsider status into an advantage. We just thought different than peers. We weren't insular and always believed global talent was worth exploration. That's how we tackled a decades-old system with a global-first mindset.
6. When the world changed, we changed the world. When the pandemic meant widespread chaos and business uncertainty, we jumped in to help companies hire global talent, unlock economic mobility, and navigate complex regulatory systems to take advantage of the changing work landscape.
7. Deel pioneered seamless global payroll, operating in 165 countries, used by 37,000 businesses, and paying 1.5 million people every month.And that's just to date.
We're always pushing ourselves to think outside of the box, because of who we are. Let's see where being different takes us now.
My first interview with Shuo Wang (@shuooo), Co-Founder & CRO of @Deel.
1:08 Designing Deel To Scale Quickly
3:28 Why Companies Should Go Global Early
7:30 Building Deel’s Sales Team
10:33 Why Shuo Loves Sales
14:44 Pivoting 3 Times During YC & Being Shameless
19:06 Dreaming About Intercom
22:04 Solving Payment Delays Early On
25:11 Joining YC As A Crypto Payment Platform For Content Creators
32:37 How To Make Decisions Before You Have Data
36:30 Why It Was So Painful To Open Corporate Entities During Covid
39:57 Thinking Outside The Box
44:15 Why Covid Was “A Lifetime Opportunity” For Deel
46:11 Deel Speed
47:55 Argentina & Brazil
50:07 Interviewing Deel’s First 400 Employees
51:33 Screening For Happiness
52:59 Creating Ghost Busters (Special Projects Team)
59:16 Having A Co-Founder You Can Rely On
1:03:31 Why Offsites Are Important
1:06:07 Torturing Yourself Into Greatness
1:07:20 Learning How To Run A Business From Her Mom
1:11:26 Growing Up In China With Her Grandparents
1:15:51 Moving To The United States At 16
1:24:13 Building An Air Purifier Company In China
1:30:18 Being An Outsider In Silicon Valley
1:31:08 Focusing On One Product vs. Building Multiple Products
1:32:46 What PMF Was Like At Deel
1:34:46 How Shuo Thinks About Risk
1:37:18 Understand The Problem, Not The Solution
1:42:08 Creating An 11-Star Customer Experience
1:43:44 What Makes Alex Special
1:46:00 Poker
1:46:43 Always Look At The Positives Even In Tough Situations
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